User talk:Logan

Renaming canyons

Hey, I just wanted to note that renaming a canyon requires more work than just renaming the canyon page itself because many components of the page (banner image, etc) depend on the name of that page. Just renaming the main page breaks all these associations. When you rename canyons, please also rename all the components as described here, and add an AKA in the metadata in case someone searches for the old name, or just let me know what you'd like to change the name to and I can use my automated tools to do that work quickly. In the mean time, I've finished the rename of Ivy to Serpents and Pepper to Salito. Thanks! --Bjp (talk) 10:18, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

Update 20180523: Please remember that just renaming the main page of a canyon breaks all of its content. You renamed Alelele Canyon to Tangled Mess but did not rename any of the components. I've done the rename properly now in this case. --Bjp (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

OK. I'll try that with Makamakaole. The convention in Maui is to avoid using stream names for a variety of reasons. Each stream has a canyon name below the highway and above the highway.

Sounds good, or I'm happy to do renames also. When a page has little to no content, it's easy to rename manually. But, it's a huge pain when it has a lot of content (especially pictures, votes, or conditions) so I wrote a script to do renames faster. You're still welcome to do the renames, but I think the script makes it a lot easier and less painful. --Bjp (talk) 15:26, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

Update 20190128: This is the third reminder about renaming canyons; in the future, I'm going to start summarily reverting breaking name changes. See, for instance, that Wailua Iki Creek (Carpool) had a number of pages associated with it. When you moved/renamed it to Carpool_(Lower_W._Wailua_Iki_Stream), the , the File:Wailua Iki Creek (Carpool).kml, and two Votes were unassociated with the canyon because most canyon content is associated to canyon by name. See my first note in this section for the explanation and alternatives. I'll wait a few days to revert/redo that Carpool rename in case you want to see why we can't just rename canyons. Bjp (talk) 14:22, 28 January 2019 (EST)

Maple Canyon region

I noticed you changed Maple Canyon's region back from Utah to United States. We almost always want to put locations in the most specific region possible and Luca originally created it in Utah. Do you know where this region actually is? Since we have nothing listed as being inside this region, I'm inclined to just delete it unless it's going to be useful for some reason. Bjp (talk) 19:06, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

I don't know where Maple Canyon region is and there are no canyons in it which is why I wanted to delete it.

It's now deleted. --Bjp (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

North Wash parent region

I also noticed you changed North Wash's parent region back to Utah from Southeast Utah, along with Robber's Roost. It seems like all canyons in these areas are in the eastern half and southern half of Utah, so why don't you think Southeast Utah is an appropriate parent region? Bjp (talk) 19:06, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Southeast Utah describes a geographic area that based on geography should include many areas: Moab, Cedar Mesa, Robbers Roost, The Swell, Northwash, and Ticaboo. To include only two of these areas and not the others is inconsistent. To be consistent and logical these two sub-regions should stand on their own like all the other sub-regions in Utah, esp. becasue Northwash and RR both are major canyoneering destinations with many canyons. Alternatively, to be consistent, the State of Utah should have 4 parent regions: Southeast Utah, South Central Utah, Southwest Utah, and Northern Utah, with all of the sub-regions allocated accordingly. If we get many more sub-regions I think this would be a good change. Utah seems to be the only state that has so many sub-regions.

That's why I think we want to use Southeast Utah. Utah has 13 direct subregions which seems like too many for someone unfamiliar with the state to relate to each other, so there should be an intermediate grouping that contains some of those 13 direct subregions. I thought Southeast Utah was a pretty good one, but I'm less familiar with the area than most. The idea here is that if someone says, "Hey, I'm planning a trip to Moab; what other regions should I take a look at?" then all they have to do is go up one Region level and see what other regions are related. There are so many canyons in Utah that it doesn't make sense to refer someone interested in Moab to Zion. So, I think we should be moving regions into narrower subregions, not out of them. No need to make all the changes all at once, but we should always be moving in the right direction. --Bjp (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

Agree. Then I think we should add Moab, Cedar Mesa, San Rafael Swell, Ticaboo and Bullfrog to the "Southeast Utah" parent region; and add a parent region "South Central Utah" and move Capitol Reef, Escalante and Lake Powell under it; create "Southwest Utah" and move Zion, St. George, and Virgin River Gorge under it. This would make the most sense for people new to Utah wanting to plan a trip. This would make the most sense from a driving perspective. The only sub-region that would not be under one of these three parent regions would be "Wasatch Front" which basically means Salt Lake City. Let me know what you think before I go and do it.

Yeah, that sounds great. I haven't planned trips to most of the central/east canyons so I just trust your grouping. Worst case we can always adjust later, but I'm sure this is fine. --Bjp (talk) 15:24, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

Yosemite Falls (Upper)

I've moved this conversation to Talk:Yosemite_Falls_(Upper).