Conditions:Suicide Canyon-20250414022929

Latest:	10 Apr 2025 (8 days ago)

Reported by:	Willie92708 (997 reports)
Quality:	Good
Waterflow:	Very Low
Wetsuit:	None
Water temperature:
Difficulty:	Special challenges
Time:	5 hours

Team: 2 people

Trip report URL:

Comments: The big "special challenges" were crossing Big T Creek multiple times as the dam is releasing about 50CFS of waterflow (see pic). The approach trail up needs some TLC with the poison encroaching in spots, especially just after jumping onto the ridge itself. SoCal Edison has been working on their power poles, so around each cluster of 3, there are large areas of cleared brush. This makes it harder to find the clearing exit back onto the trail, especially for the 3rd power pole cluster. Also, someone/group obviously did some major pruning work on the white thorn bushes in last 1/4 mile. I did some trimming; maybe 10 minutes total. All I can say about the previous report was they clearly were not on the trail, or they have wildly high expectations of this type of "use" trail.

The canyon itself is in good shape with minimal brush problem and all the anchor are in good shape. The flow was "very low", but still plenty to soak ropes and get feet wet.

All condition reports

Date	Quality	Waterflow	Wetsuit	Difficulty	Time	Team	Reported by
10 Apr 2025	Good	Very Low	None	Special challenges	5 hours	2 people	Willie92708 (997 reports)
Comment: The big "special challenges" were crossing Big T Creek multiple times as the dam is releasing about 50CFS of waterflow (see pic). The approach trail up needs some TLC with the poison encroaching in spots, especially just after jumping onto the ridge itself. SoCal Edison has been working on their power poles, so around each cluster of 3, there are large areas of cleared brush. This makes it harder to find the clearing exit back onto the trail, especially for the 3rd power pole cluster. Also, someone/group obviously did some major pruning work on the white thorn bushes in last 1/4 mile. I did some trimming; maybe 10 minutes total. All I can say about the previous report was they clearly were not on the trail, or they have wildly high expectations of this type of "use" trail. The canyon itself is in good shape with minimal brush problem and all the anchor are in good shape. The flow was "very low", but still plenty to soak ropes and get feet wet.
22 Mar 2025	Ok	Low	None	Special challenges	6 hours	1 people Intermediate	Canyondozer (7 reports)
Comment: Used coordinates listed in description. Trail is just visible, but still somewhat overgrown. Bring a machete for sections. Bring eye protection. Hike up via maxion route is brutual. Recent rains have washed logs and branches into canyon. All anchors are set with functional webbing, R8B should not be used (just rap from R8A) but now has webbing around tree anchors that are marginal at best.
1 Dec 2024	Good	Very Low	Rain jacket	Normal	6 hours	8 people	Mikeatran (69 reports)
Comment: A nice day doing a lot of trail clearing! The canyon approach is heavily cleared thanks to the grotto folks and also SCEdison! Up to the drop in was very clear and easy to follow; the actual start of the climb needs to be amended with the trail start but once on it it’s pretty clear now with all of the heavy trail work. Replaced 3 or 4 anchor stations; likely another one will need to be replaced relatively soon but the canyon is in very good form and ready for some fun!
17 Dec 2023	Good	Very Low	Rain jacket	Special challenges	5 hours	3 people	Willie92708 (997 reports)
Comment: Big Tujunga Creek is flowing; still easy enough to cross the 3 times without getting feet wet thanks to rocks placed in the creek bed. I had no issue finding the steel pole, and the ramp that starts the trail up the ridge. If you are having problems, follow the beta: "Cross the creek and proceed 250 feet more to 34.279415, -118.218704 , then head off trail, straight south past 4" rusty steel pole and a large downed tree to the ridge about 150 feet away. Climb an animal run that angles up right onto the ridge" at 34.27895, -118.21868. Once on the trail, the "special challenges" began. The whitethorn and other plants have reclaimed walking space above the trail in many spots. I did some trimming, so it's much better now, but we still had to crawl under it in several locations. I also marked the switchback at 34.27628, -118.22011 much better so future parties hopefully will not keep going straight on the animal run and wind up off the trail. The sign at 34.27415, -118.22390 for the split Suicide / Silver on the Side is still there although on the ground and the ink is faded out. The two handline sections are still there (black poly rope and blue webbing and rope). The drop-in still has 2 green rope fixed lines. It needed some help with deadfall and a little trimming; overall was good, but has lots of loose rocks! Once in the canyon, the canyon kelp is thick in places, but overall the travel is easy enough. The significant waterflow made for lush waterfalls. Almost all the anchor webbing was OK; I did replace some of it. The "small" tree for R8a/b is getting pretty big and it has grown and pinched 2 pieces of webbing between a branch and the main trunk. We combined these rappels off the R8 tree, because the webbing was gone off the fig trees for R8b. Exit hike was easy, and the black poly rope hand line rope is still there for R9.
8 Apr 2023	Good	Low	Thin wetsuit	Special challenges	8 hours	5 people Brand new to Advanced	Austin3623 (16 reports)
Comment: Definitely had a fun, but interesting day out in Suicide. We knew ahead of time there would be some extra challenges, and agreed as a group to take it on anyway. Lots of type 2 fun today, but screw it. Said challenges outlined below: River crossings - Be prepared to cross a very full Big Tujunga Creek minimum three times EACH WAY. The first two crossings are waist high and flowing swiftly but straight forward nonetheless. The third crossing closest to the route is the deepest/heaviest and gets up to chest high in some spots (and impassible whitewater in others). We protected the first and third crossings with a tensioned line and crossed easily without any scares. Finding the ridge - This was our first time doing the route. The RopeWiki GPS file is clearly wrong at the base of the approach, as Willie indicates in the beta. With the creek being safe to cross in very few areas and completely overgrown on the canyon side of the river, we gave it our best shot and found a gully slightly climbers right of the green route. Found ourselves bushwhacking and squeezing between poison oak plants until we climbed high enough to cut left over to the ridge. It was doable, but would not recommend this route for future groups. Heavily overgrown - Dense, leafy vegetation throughout the entire approach and the canyon itself. POISON OAK LITERALLY EVERYWHERE—one of our group members fell victim. Forget the garden shears, bring a machete or power tools. Finding the trimmed tunnel to R1 - Again, our first time on the route, and heavily overgrown. After the power lines, we followed the intuitive trail we were on, which took us to the sign and down to R1. Willie Hunt generously carved out a clean path through that dense area with power tools in the recent past. At the time, we thought we were on that trail, but it had simply grown back since he cut it (there was a clear trail, but everything above the waist was pretty leafy). After talking with Willie, sounds like there’s very likely a cleaner version of the route. If the trail looks dense on the upper section of the approach, take a minute to search for other options. Final note - if you’re familiar with the nuances of the route (specifically the approach), it may be a breeze. Even for us, the extra challenge was fun without being overwhelming for anyone. The rappels are great in flow. Water levels are a Class B shower, similar to San Antonio Falls in September. We were hoping for a little more water on the route but still had fun. Would recommend budgeting extra time for the river crossings, and even more time if it’s your first time doing it. Bring some chopping tools and do anything you can to protect yourself from the poison oak. It’s fucking everywhere.
31 Dec 2021	Great	Moderate	Rain jacket	Special challenges	4 hours	2 people Advanced	Estunum (34 reports)
Comment: With the recent rains we set out to explore Suicide instead of the usual canyons. Water has been the highest I have ever seen it here, as normally there's only a trickle or low flow. The water adds special challenges for the down climbs in particular, but the rappels as well. Lots of recent rockfall, in the canyon and in the approach. In these current conditions, this is a great canyon. In the past the approach takes away from its luster but the new cut path makes it easy. The current water flow rivals those that normally flow low in the area.
24 May 2021	Great	Very Low	None	Normal	4 hours	3 people Beginner to Intermediate	ADubs (12 reports)
Comment: Canyon had a healthy trickle of water on almost every rappel except the first. Feet stayed dry, but rope got wet and slimy from the algae and moss. Poison Oak thriving - keep your eyes open, especially in lower canyon. We all found ticks on us from the thick and happy undergrowth.
17 Jan 2021	Good	Very Low	None	Special challenges	4 hours	1 people	Activedad29 (19 reports)
Comment: Thank you to the group that did trail maintenance. I saw previous posts and videos and everyone complained that it was overgrown. Not anymore! You guys/gals did a fantastic job. Dry falls with one or two having a small trickle but still fun. If you happen to see a carabiner with a black ATC and VT Prusik, its mine. Finders keepers I guess. It's somewhere between the bottom of rap 4 and the start of rap 5. The special challenge was the loose and steep climb uphill. If you have a group, be careful not to kick any bolders loose. Enjoy
20 Dec 2020	Good	Dry	None	Normal	3 hours	4 people Expert to Beginner	Cesar (21 reports),Willie92708 (997 reports)
Comment: There are loose rock on the approach so be careful with how you space your selves on the hand lines. Some of the rocks are large enough to hurt you even when falling short distances. All the anchors and webbing were OK. We found one of the missing bolted stations. We started at 7:30 am with a temperature of 55 degrees, and a high 70 by the end. It got hot pretty quick going up the steep hill hence layers come off fairly quickly. Willie: water flow has stayed about the same (see pic).
5 Dec 2020	Great	Dry	None	Normal	4 hours	4 people Intermediate to Expert	Cesar (21 reports),Willie92708 (997 reports)
Comment: Cesar: We started the approach at 8 AM. It was a bit around 55 degrees and the layers quickly came off as we started climbing. Willie installed hand lines on two of the steepest sections of loose sand and they are very useful to prevent sliding back down. You will be following the Utility Poles up the ridge. The anchors in the canyon are in great condition and so I is the webbing around some of the trees. Your feet will get wet as there is a nice stream with plenty of fresh water half way down the canyon. The canyon does stay on the cooler side as it is mostly shaded but once out of it, we warmed up pretty quickly. Nice warm beer awaited us at the car. Almost forgot to note, that there is no bushwhacking on the approach. Pretty fast canyon to do in 4 hours without rushing. Willie: Although the first rappel is totally dry (see picture), it is a bit moist at the bottom. Further down the canyon the flow picks up with each successive drop, until by the last rappel there is several garden hoses worth of water flow. And even though you can keep your feet dry by being careful, there are a few pools, buried in the canyon kelp, deep enough to flood your shoes.
28 Nov 2020	Great	Dry	None	Normal	5 hours	2 people Advanced	Estunum (34 reports)
Comment: Metal pole is probably not the best thing to look for from from the trail, it sits in a ditch lower than everything else, so unless you're near it, you won't see it. At 34.27941, -118.21870 there's a clearing, this is where you leave the trail. From here, just head directly south towards the ridge, you'll see a trail up some loose dirt between some oak trees. From here, the trail is a breeze. Huge shoutout to the team that cleaned it up. I had done Suicide 4 times before and each time the approach I swore never to return because the approach sucked that bad. If you've held back because you've heard the stories, this is the time to go. Two hand lines on the way up, and one at the drop in. Once in the canyon everything is straight forward. A couple rappels were shorter than the beta calls, but looks like it was due to sediment. Could use more traffic to stomp out some of that canyon kelp.
26 Nov 2020	Great	Dry	None	Normal	3 hours	1 people	Jcsjcs (117 reports)
Comment: Approach trail was a breeze thanks to the efforts of Willie's team. Recognizing the steel pole as the place to turn off Grizzly Flats Trail is crucial. All rappels were fun and straightforward. The canyon itself isn't too overgrown either. My ropes got wet in the trickles and pools but it was easy to avoid getting clothes wet.
22 Nov 2020	Good	Very Low	None	Normal	4 hours	4 people	Willie92708 (997 reports)
Comment: Thanks to all the access improvement and canyon clean up work, this canyon was easy to run in sub 4 hours car to car. Do be careful on the drop-in as the slope has many loose rocks and the last 30 feet can sluff off huge amounts of dirt. We replaced the Sun bleached webbing and re-discovered the R2 anchor as it was buried in the canyon kelp. Now all rappels have new to newish webbing, full size quick-links and all are rigged where it's easy to spot them. Water flow is minimal, but does pick up in the last few rappels (see pic). If you are careful, you should be able to keep your feet completely dry. I managed to keep my feet dry on this trip.
15 Nov 2020	Good	Very Low	Rain jacket	Special challenges	7 hours	3 people Beginner to Expert	Aquamoo (91 reports),Willie92708 (997 reports)
Comment: I can see why it's called suicide canyon... We did a fair amount of pruning on the approach and in the canyon. The canyon kelp was pretty bad but totally doable. All the raps were nice, and the final few had a tiny amount of water going down them. Beta needs some updating.
24 Oct 2020	Poor	Very Low	Rain jacket	Special challenges	11 hours	1 people	Willie92708 (997 reports)
Comment: This was a recon and trail work trip. I wasted a bit of time with the Grizzly Flat trail, since I did not pay attention that it crosses the creek twice in the first 600 feet from the parking lot. Once on the trail again, and just after the 3rd creek crossing, I easily found the animal run and old trail up the ridge. I started working on it, since it needed help. After 3.5 hours of work, I reached the end of any faint trail, and begin working on the dense stuff for 2 hours. Since it already afternoon, and I wanted to run the canyon, I decided to push through the last 400 feet (horizontal) to R1. That was over an hour exercise and I finally reached the clear ridge above R1 at 2:30PM. I also managed to get into some PO with no leaves that got mostly on my arms and a bit on my legs. I rigged a rappel into the canyon since I was about 50 feet directly above R1. Once below R1, the canyon had a tiny bit of water flow, and the canyon kelp was crazy thick. Beside the canyon kelp hiding where to step in between rappels, the canyon drops are actually quite nice. What little PO I saw was all off to the sides and totally avoidable. The one anchor high on a tree DCL, I did not use since there was PO all around it. Instead I use the large fallen tree that comes right down to the water course. The further I got down canyon the more water flow at each drop. It was surprising how much water was coming down, considering all the soil is bone dry on the side of the canyon. = It took me about 3 hours to run the canyon through the last rappel. Much of the time was spent slowing working through the canyon kelp. After the last rappel it was only about 8 minutes hiking back to the main trail. Overall the approach trail needs serious work for 600 feet. The canyon needs the kelp smashed down and a few deadfall trees and limbs chopped up. With this work done, I would immediately raise the quality to "good", as it really is a good canyon; just needs some TLC.

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